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Cristine Carrier Schmidt MA OT's avatar

I'm going to share a real-life scenario, just as an interesting counter-point to your argument here. My grandfather had a life-long stutter. This was not a cute Biden-esque stutter that lead to meandering conversation points while he worked his way around a difficult word. Instead, he had a severe sound prolongation stutter. His sentences would, every minute or two, go something like this - "so, we went to the store and then A - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAf, and then AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAf, then AAA-Afterwards, we went home."

My grandfather was also never a quiet speaker, and his sound prolongations were always louder than his normal speaking voice. Further, as he entered his 50's and 60's, he experienced progressive hearing loss. Like many people with hearing loss, he began speaking louder and louder over time without realizing it and without being able to modulate his volume. Oh, and for extra quirky bonus points, he also had a history of asthma and allergies, and was very sensitive to cigar and cigarette smoke and thus he carried around a battery operated pocket fan that he would take out in a restaurant to blow cigar and cigarette smoke away from him back toward the person who was smoking.

The final relevant bit to this scenario is that after my grandparents divorced, my grandfather got married again to a millionaire, back when being a millionaire meant something (think, frequent fliers on the Concord type of thing), AND he and he wife loved gourmet food. (in case you are wondering, no, we descendants of the first marriage got exactly zero dollars in inheritance from this marriage - even my grandfather was even left essentially high and dry by her family during the last years of his life when he needed board and care support after she had died, despite 25 years of marriage).

Anyway, so imagine you are out enjoying fine cuisine, and my grandfather and his wife come in to the restaurant and are seated at the table next to yours. I guarantee your conversation and the ambience would have been vast more disturbed by my grandfather's extremely loud stutter, loud conversation even when he wasn't stuttering, and him confrontationally pointing a fan at you if you were a diner who liked to smoke with their meal, than it would have been being seated near a young child. But to my knowledge, though I know he got some looks, no one ever asked them to leave, or suggested that they should just eat at home or order takeout. I mean, it wasn't like they weren't sure he would be very loud, or that their "might" be an incident - his eating out was guaranteed to be very noticeably loud to those around him. But again, no one suggested he stay home for the foreseeable future.

So my question is, why not? Why were diners willing to tolerate his presence, but the same diners might have really put their foot down when it came to children?

I'm not on a particular side in this argument, so this isn't really coming from a strong viewpoint one way or the other. I do have kids, and my oldest was enough of a handful that we stopped eating out for a solid 5 to 6 years, even at family restaurants, much less a nicer place, but that decision also wasn't a sacrifice made purely for the sake of deference to the community of quiet-loving adults.

Rhymes With "Brass Seagull"'s avatar

But that is exactly the kind of NUANCE that so many people can't seem to grasp these days! Because it makes too much sense!

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